melandru's arrows or poison arrow? - Guild Wars Forums

krusader · Sep 15, 2005, 11:58 AM // 11:58

Hi,
Just started to get a few elite skills and I was wondering which is best out of melandru's arrows and poison arrow? It doesn't say how much life degeneration each gives which is kinda annoying.

Currently I'm having a lot of fun stacking poison or bleeding with conjure phantasm

and I was also wondering if there is a limit to how much life degen. you can stack on a foe?
Thanx

chaos dragoon · Sep 15, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03

degen caps at -10.poison gives 1 more degen than bleeding.but if i want to poison someone,i just use apply poison

aismailuk · Sep 15, 2005, 12:47 PM // 12:47

I'd tend to agree,

Using the apply poison skill means that you spend slightly more energy (I think) but once applied, it lasts for more than just the one shot you get per elite.

Melandru's + apply poison is the way to go if you want both bleeding and posion

Macel · Sep 15, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Poison arrow costs 5 mana (less w/ expertise, of course), so the cost is almost unnoticeable, and has a fast reuse time, so you can reuse it as needed. Most importantly, poison arrow is an attack, not a preparation, which means you can use another preparation (such as ignite or kindle arrows) in addition to it. For PVP, hunter's shot is fine if you want bleeding damage, as usually your victims meet the 'running around' requirement for the bleeding damage to take effect. So its possible to do poison, bleeding AND extra elemental damage as well..

Shwitz · Sep 15, 2005, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by aismailuk

I'd tend to agree,

Using the apply poison skill means that you spend slightly more energy (I think) but once applied, it lasts for more than just the one shot you get per elite.

Melandru's + apply poison is the way to go if you want both bleeding and posion

Both are preparations, though, which means you'd have to prep, fire an arrow, prep, and then fire a second arrow to get both bleeding and poison.

If I want to stack bleeding and poison on a target, I usually take Hunter's Shot and Poison Arrow with either Kindle or Ignite Arrows as my preparation. This way, I do extra damage, poison, and make 'em bleed, and if I forget to re-prep, all I lose is the bonus damage.

Fye Duron · Sep 15, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Honestly it greatly depends on what you are using them for. I like to run Melandru's + apply poison + pin down....

ayb · Sep 15, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Shwitz

Both are preparations, though, which means you'd have to prep, fire an arrow, prep, and then fire a second arrow to get both bleeding and poison.

preparations cancel each other out, just like stances. so if i :

apply poison
attack
melandru's arrows
attack

only my first arrow would poison. on casting melandru's arrows, apply poison would be removed.

mr_boo · Sep 15, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07

If you want damage, I'd go with MA.
If you want to spread degen, of course Apply Poison or Poison Arrow.

I prefer dealing damage so I go with MA....there's always an enchanted target running around and the unconditional bleed is a nice touch...of course I'm talking in the context of PvP.

stumpy · Sep 15, 2005, 04:09 PM // 16:09

I wouldn't run apply and melandrus at the same time ... its just not a good use of skills together ... firstly only one of those needs to be up at a time. And you can keep it up almost indefinately. So why waste a skill slot.

Apply poison and hunters for degen

aismailuk · Sep 15, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

"preparations cancel each other out, just like stances"

Good point.

I suppose it depends on how you want to use it. If you are wanting to deal bleeding and poison to the same enemy, then you are best without both of these together. If you are wanting to use one, followed by the other while the first recharges, then this setup could work.

My experience has been to try until you find the best way specific to yourself.

Seissor · Sep 15, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

I prefer melandru's arrows since im a smite ranger and i need my enrgy for smiting and power shots. its really up to the user to decide whats better, I do however LOVE melandrus arrows agaisnst monks in pvp who enchant themselves, I get a sexy +24 dmg vs them with melandrus arrows. And as someone said earlier...conditions do not stack so stick with poison or bleed, dont use both waste of mana and skill slots.

Algren Cole · Sep 15, 2005, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Hunter's Shot + Poison Arrow + Pin down ftw

Fungus Amongus · Sep 15, 2005, 04:48 PM // 16:48

If you are focus firing on enemies, consider what type of damage your teammates will be doing. If you have a warrior making the enemy bleed, consider using poison. If you use a pet and use Feral Lunge (bleeding), use poison. If you have two rangers, use the condition the other ranger isn't using.

Shwitz · Sep 15, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayb

preparations cancel each other out, just like stances. so if i :

apply poison
attack
melandru's arrows
attack

only my first arrow would poison. on casting melandru's arrows, apply poison would be removed.

I'm well aware of that fact. Which is why I was stating that you'd have to re-prep in the middle of battle to change to bleeding instead of poison... maybe I wasn't clear, but I'm pretty sure we're saying the same thing.

da Phenom · Sep 15, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59

the crucial thing about melandrus arrow is that it has massive dps considering that even though they do get 1 extra degen, they get dominated if they have any enchantments on them
+24 dmg is a lot

Bingley Joe · Sep 15, 2005, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by da Phenom

the crucial thing about melandrus arrow is that it has massive dps considering that even though they do get 1 extra degen, they get dominated if they have any enchantments on them
+24 dmg is a lot

Does that damage stack by any chance?

The description just says "strikes a foe who is under an enchantment", but what about one who is under multiple enchants?

Is it +24dmg/enchant or just +24dmg?

ayb · Sep 16, 2005, 05:32 AM // 05:32

poison arrow + barbed trap + flame trap + pin down

poisoned bleeding crippled burning crippled again

Bingley Joe · Sep 16, 2005, 06:13 AM // 06:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayb

poison arrow + barbed trap + flame trap + pin down

poisoned bleeding crippled burning crippled again

If you could throw Virulence on that person for Disease and Weakness, you'd have one seriously messed up dude on your hands!

(course, why stop there? You really want a mesmer in there somewhere with Fevered Dreams to spread those conditions to everyone else, and then Fragility to show them why they should have stayed in bed

)

galkraft · Sep 16, 2005, 06:14 AM // 06:14

Hey, nobody is talking about Melandru's Arrow's other strength: mega damage against enchanted foes. [EDIT]I didn't read the thread well enough, sorry![/EDIT] If you are constantly firing at one target, so long as they're enchanted, you will do more damage over time than adding poison to the bleed. Melandru's Arrow is conditional, but better than Poison Arrow when the condition is met.

If the foe is not enchanted, at least he won't be negating any of your damage.

krusader · Sep 16, 2005, 10:06 AM // 10:06

Thanx for the suggestions
Think I'll go with hunters shot, poison arrow, pin down... then conjure
maybe will use melandru's arrows when i start pvping
and am sooooo gonna capture fevered dreams when i get the chance

Sep 15, 2005, 11:58 AM // 11:58	#1
krusader Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: R/Me	melandru's arrows or poison arrow? Hi, Just started to get a few elite skills and I was wondering which is best out of melandru's arrows and poison arrow? It doesn't say how much life degeneration each gives which is kinda annoying. Currently I'm having a lot of fun stacking poison or bleeding with conjure phantasm and I was also wondering if there is a limit to how much life degen. you can stack on a foe? Thanx

Sep 16, 2005, 06:14 AM // 06:14	#19
galkraft Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Followers Of Master Jack Profession: R/Me	Hey, nobody is talking about Melandru's Arrow's other strength: mega damage against enchanted foes. [EDIT]I didn't read the thread well enough, sorry![/EDIT] If you are constantly firing at one target, so long as they're enchanted, you will do more damage over time than adding poison to the bleed. Melandru's Arrow is conditional, but better than Poison Arrow when the condition is met. If the foe is not enchanted, at least he won't be negating any of your damage. Last edited by galkraft; Sep 16, 2005 at 10:23 AM // 10:23..

Sep 15, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03	#2
chaos dragoon Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Warrior Nation[WN] Profession: R/	degen caps at -10.poison gives 1 more degen than bleeding.but if i want to poison someone,i just use apply poison

Sep 15, 2005, 12:47 PM // 12:47	#3
aismailuk Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: R/W	I'd tend to agree, Using the apply poison skill means that you spend slightly more energy (I think) but once applied, it lasts for more than just the one shot you get per elite. Melandru's + apply poison is the way to go if you want both bleeding and posion

Sep 15, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50	#4
Macel Academy Page Join Date: May 2005	Poison arrow costs 5 mana (less w/ expertise, of course), so the cost is almost unnoticeable, and has a fast reuse time, so you can reuse it as needed. Most importantly, poison arrow is an attack, not a preparation, which means you can use another preparation (such as ignite or kindle arrows) in addition to it. For PVP, hunter's shot is fine if you want bleeding damage, as usually your victims meet the 'running around' requirement for the bleeding damage to take effect. So its possible to do poison, bleeding AND extra elemental damage as well..

Sep 15, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23	#6
Fye Duron Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chico, CA, USA Guild: Dragon Fang	Honestly it greatly depends on what you are using them for. I like to run Melandru's + apply poison + pin down....

Sep 15, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07	#8
mr_boo Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Diego, CA US Guild: SoF Profession: Mo/	If you want damage, I'd go with MA. If you want to spread degen, of course Apply Poison or Poison Arrow. I prefer dealing damage so I go with MA....there's always an enchanted target running around and the unconditional bleed is a nice touch...of course I'm talking in the context of PvP.

Sep 15, 2005, 04:09 PM // 16:09	#9
stumpy Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canucklehead BC, Canada Guild: Advanced Necro Undead Society	I wouldn't run apply and melandrus at the same time ... its just not a good use of skills together ... firstly only one of those needs to be up at a time. And you can keep it up almost indefinately. So why waste a skill slot. Apply poison and hunters for degen

Sep 15, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10	#10
aismailuk Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: R/W	"preparations cancel each other out, just like stances" Good point. I suppose it depends on how you want to use it. If you are wanting to deal bleeding and poison to the same enemy, then you are best without both of these together. If you are wanting to use one, followed by the other while the first recharges, then this setup could work. My experience has been to try until you find the best way specific to yourself.

Sep 15, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12	#11
Seissor Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Squiggilyville. Population: Me. Guild: [oRly] Hello Kitty Death Squad Profession: R/Me	I prefer melandru's arrows since im a smite ranger and i need my enrgy for smiting and power shots. its really up to the user to decide whats better, I do however LOVE melandrus arrows agaisnst monks in pvp who enchant themselves, I get a sexy +24 dmg vs them with melandrus arrows. And as someone said earlier...conditions do not stack so stick with poison or bleed, dont use both waste of mana and skill slots.

Sep 15, 2005, 04:15 PM // 16:15	#12
Algren Cole Banned Join Date: Jun 2005	Hunter's Shot + Poison Arrow + Pin down ftw

Sep 15, 2005, 04:48 PM // 16:48	#13
Fungus Amongus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare] \| [Rare] Alliance	If you are focus firing on enemies, consider what type of damage your teammates will be doing. If you have a warrior making the enemy bleed, consider using poison. If you use a pet and use Feral Lunge (bleeding), use poison. If you have two rangers, use the condition the other ranger isn't using.

Sep 15, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59	#15
da Phenom Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Junior Mafia Profession: E/R	the crucial thing about melandrus arrow is that it has massive dps considering that even though they do get 1 extra degen, they get dominated if they have any enchantments on them +24 dmg is a lot

Sep 16, 2005, 05:32 AM // 05:32	#17
ayb Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: WTS SOUL PST Guild: Order of the Fly Profession: Mo/R	poison arrow + barbed trap + flame trap + pin down poisoned bleeding crippled burning crippled again

Sep 16, 2005, 10:06 AM // 10:06	#20
krusader Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: R/Me	Thanx for the suggestions Think I'll go with hunters shot, poison arrow, pin down... then conjure maybe will use melandru's arrows when i start pvping and am sooooo gonna capture fevered dreams when i get the chance